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The guy that with his ideas try make the "new IL-2" more "flight game" than "combat flight simulator".

21_Sokol1 wrote:The guy that with his ideas try make the "new IL-2" more "flight game" than "combat flight simulator".

use their quality for a modular commercial simulators, drone control stations, integration whit smarthphones, and some basic and simple things that they need to put toguether like marketing sytem, support, sometimes I fell they make pranks and let me write and write things that are basic

I discover VKB last year and assume I was a gamer’s community project and I announce my interest and my resources to join the project.
My proposal was wrong when I realize that are working since 2004……..I was shock that I was not aware of VKB…..having play simulators all my life and almost start a similar project.

Was VKB whitout proper marketing/community on purpose?
I play DCS and read the forum…., I play janes ww2 figters fron release day!!!
Why I was not aware of VKB? Why they do not have a proper user community?
Today a community is the core of ideas and free development (a sub forum will do it)

At first VKB almost look like an early access game…….

No centralized place for information
No week/month updates
Untrusted potential customers

in the past to get info about VKB I need to red like 7 forums……….and also read the users lack of believe/untrusted etc.



they are very nice people, all have talk a lot whit them. and a little whit Jason.

Well, I know VKB since 2004, from the (RiP) Sukhoi forum (I am simmer since 1996/7).

Since them I try disclose his products in Western forums, because I believe in his innovation and potential, but most the guys from that side are like this fellow...

I remember the discussions with the Russian community in 2007/2008 about the design of Cobra M5 joystick, the same simmers that after start the production went to complain of the design...

But yes, until now VKB have very bad communication and planing/production, his attempt to reach the Western market with the partner of Flightsimcontrols dont went well because of VKB irregular production, leaving guys that pre-order waiting more than year...

We will see if now they "take-off" properly with his new production line a the partner for USA-Canada (only), despite that guy don't looks the best business partner possible... I remember other hardware store that he managed years ago and that have very restrictive sales police...

I will lunch to all latin America whit solutions based in VKB.

from fly schools to military training, drones too.

O kit the upgrade to gimbal para o Mamba Mk.I, II - serviria também para o Cobra M-5 mudando a "tampa" superior, modernizar um Cougar, um projeto DIY (depende do skill do "virpilov").
Mas parece que tera produção limitada a uma "fornada"... Típico VKB.


http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/193 ... stratojet/

Stratojet só envia para USA and Canadá...

21_Sokol1 wrote: Mas parece que tera produção limitada a uma "fornada"... Típico VKB.

Stratojet só envia para USA and Canadá...

I hope that they don't kill the mamba, is much better looking than the gunfighter.....

they will announce on December about throttles plans, from what I read they will make 2 models, hope not a gamtrix whit a switchpanel......or total ww2....
A modular desing will be nice for a throttle

I hope not a gamtrix whit a switchpanel......or another "jet" ... I want levers and wheels, not HAT's in the throttle.

What kind of Throttle do you like? (lets go crazy a little)

x55 stile?

or some similar to one of this, (don't even look the price.....only pictures)

http://www.simw.com/hardware/lear-45-g- ... l-new.html (I like this one)

http://www.simw.com/hardware/a-320-flightbox.html ( and this one)

http://www.simw.com/hardware/a380-throttle.html

http://www.simw.com/twin-engine-power-q ... -4465.html

http://www.simw.com/hardware/g-737v2-g-throttle.html

http://www.simw.com/hardware/gf-tq6-adv.html

http://www.simw.com/elite-king-air-throttle.html

http://www.simw.com/elite-mel-throttle.html

http://www.simw.com/gf-tq6-twin-engine- ... ottle.html

if is a big one I will love a desktop attach like this device have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofm1NtzFS10

and the ability to attach panels

No, not these Saitek "Spacecraft" throttles and not these GA throttles.

I think something like UAV throttle control, a T lever for throttle with some HATS and other levers for prop sim planes, plus extras switches on base.

http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/images/uav.jpg
http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/images/UAV2.jpg

Some ideas here: http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=745
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647

I have there: Suncon SFS throttle, TQS throttle and WCS - but dont use then, my more "modern" plane in flight simulator is Mig-21.

BTW - In Gametrix ECS was used the Saitek X-36 model because the Chinese already have the mold forms for plastic injection for free, these molds are very expensive, for simple gamepad is around 15.000$.

I dont believe that VKB will inovate in this area... Well, awaiting for see.

21_Sokol1 wrote:No, not these Saitek "Spacecraft" throttles and not these GA throttles.

I think something like UAV throttle control, a T lever for throttle with some HATS and other levers for prop sim planes, plus extras switches on base.

http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/images/uav.jpg
http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/images/UAV2.jpg

Some ideas here: http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=745
http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647

I have there: Suncon SFS throttle, TQS throttle and WCS - but dont use then, my more "modern" plane in flight simulator is Mig-21.

BTW - In Gametrix ECS was used the Saitek X-36 model because the Chinese already have the mold forms for plastic injection for free, these molds are very expensive, for simple gamepad is around 15.000$.

I dont believe that VKB will inovate in this area... Well, awaiting for see.

janes WW2 fighter was not my first sim ok, so don't need to say the ecs is saytek copy, I already scream that new to vkb will se that and will atomatically think chininse copy and wrost than Saitek and walk away.

and by no means put that low end in a packet whit a mamba......


I think the key is a scalable and attachable metal rack for accesoris and swiches and tablets etc. (I really like the x-65)

And a well desing modular base, the key problems are from fighter to quadrant, and even a collective control for choopers.

A base that allow the attach of the throttle in multiple angles add many flecibility, but must have diferent types of levers.

And In my first contack to vkb I recommend a stick in the throttle as a modular option, dual electronics for fault tolerance, high EF shielding, internal log, (to be plataform independent) and smarphone integration, and canon type connectors. (if shielded in silver will be EMP protected)

And I can send you more interesting pictures.

http://www.bugeyetech.com/ also ask me to be his parner for latin America, so y have some plans...

Budgeye is option only for professional simulation, their prices start with 4 digits (U$)...

Anyway their models is for specific planes, ofcouse you can use the F-35 "HOTAS" for fly a P-51, but is not the best option for this plane.

And modern jet by modern jets, the domestic flight sim market already had the endless line of DèJvù F-16/A-10 Thrustmaster HOTAS (and the CH "mockup's). No need other.
And there a guy from Polonia (Replika Grips) that dream in make replacement grips for Tm sticks.

The moment is WWII and Space'sims, since Saitek bet on the last, hope that VKB supply - adequately - the first.

21_Sokol1 wrote:Budgeye is option only for professional simulation, their prices start with 4 digits (U$)...

Anyway their models is for specific planes, ofcouse you can use the F-35 "HOTAS" for fly a P-51, but is not the best option for this plane.

And modern jet by modern jets, the domestic flight sim market already had the endless line of DèJvù F-16/A-10 Thrustmaster HOTAS (and the CH "mockup's). No need other.
And there a guy from Polonia (Replika Grips) that dream in make replacement grips for Tm sticks.

The moment is WWII and Space'sims, since Saitek bet on the last, hope that VKB supply - adequately - the first.

I plan on military/schools market....too, theres a huge demand for static simulators, and you go 4 digits or gaming like devices.......VKB fill a hole there whit quality and modular setups.
I know that sell Budgeye solutions in lation america is very small, they know too, but they want somebody here and they even can provide the modular aprouch I require.
there are many manufactures but few solution providers.

And the core desing will work on many usages (is not a gaming pc type of desing) there is much security standars and SLA......but I have a much better solutions and much cheaper.
Have alternative providers if vkb cant deliver.

some prices..
http://www.flightsimulatorcenter.com/Pr ... ODE=830024

I know every manufacturer of every part of that one and that is not a 99000 Euro......., and you don't even need all that.


But my plans for Simulation Solutions are other project.

Be the VKB reseller for Latin America is priority .....WHY?

here a decent hotas is really really expensive, and you end up whit crap.
you gaming time is troubleshooting time......

NO MORE 300US toys, a Final Solution, upgradeable and spare parts.

And as a Customer a Gamer and a IT consultant, I know what we hate, I have suffer the same things.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/mo ... 880694.jpg

O conceito do Gunfighter é "marrom", isso:


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O desenho do throttle é (IMO) o que poderia ser, não outro "F-16'ish/Spacecraft" throttle.

Esse deve ser o sistema antigo do gimbal:

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